79. Trusting God in Birth & Fertility with Audrey Ross

As I sat contemplating the intricacies of childbirth, a question stirred in my heart: How deeply do we trust the natural rhythms and God's design of birth? Together with Audrey Ross, a passionate birth keeper, we dive into a discussion on trusting God in birth and fertility.

We delve into the realm of natural childbirth, sharing our own experiences and challenging the commonplace practices that often overshadow a woman's innate birthing wisdom. We navigate through the spiritual dimensions of birth, reverence for the miraculous moment of meeting a new baby, and the recognition of God's hand in our journeys of fertility and family expansion.

Our conversation extends beyond the physical act of birth, engaging in heartfelt reflections on the cascading effects of medical interventions and the power of faith in guiding us through unexpected turns in life. Whether it be through the natural birthing process or the blessings of fostering and adoption, we reinforce the importance of trusting in God's timing, even amidst loss or medical challenges. We uncover the mysterious ways destiny weaves itself into our lives, sharing tales of dreams and divine messages, and how these experiences affirm the miracle of motherhood and the profound connection with our children.

Delving deeper, we open a dialogue on critical aspects of women's health, questioning the pervasive influence of pharmaceuticals on birth control and family planning. We consider the emotional and physical implications of major medical decisions like hysterectomies and reflect on the principles of German New Medicine and scriptural wisdom to emphasize the significance of listening to our bodies. 

Through shared stories and intimate anecdotes, we aim to empower and affirm your decisions in the sacred act of bringing life into the world, highlighting the importance of community support and the strength that comes from standing firm in our individual birth choices.

Transcript

Rebecca Twomey: 0:32

Hello and welcome to the Radiant Mission podcast. My name is Rebecca Twomey, and we are on a mission to encourage and inspire you as you're navigating through this life and with your relationship with Christ. We are in a series called God's Design for Birth, and we have a very special guest today that was with us last week. I'm so excited for her to be back talking with us today about birth and some other birth related things like foster care and who knows where we're going. We love talking about all this stuff. Her name is Audrey Ross and she is a wife of mother and a birth keeper who is passionate about teaching women to trust physiological birth. She's all about giving birth outside of the medical paradigm, and you can find her on Instagram at a joyful birth or on her website, ajoyfulbirthorg. So, audrey, thank you so much for being back with me today.

Audrey Ross: 1:26

Thank you so much for having me again. I'm excited to talk again.

Rebecca Twomey: 1:29

Yeah, I mean we could literally just. The rest of the show is just us talking about all these things every week. I love talking to you and hearing and learning from you, and just you're such a joy. Thank you for talking to me. I'm loving this. I feel like such a birth nerd, baby nerd right now All the things nerd.

Rebecca Twomey: 1:51

So God designed for birth. We talked a lot about that last week and how he designed our bodies to give birth. He gave us that instinct to be alone and to go through that process, and the world lies to us a lot about birth and tries to convince us that our bodies are broken and we need to go to the hospital and we're managed during a process that should be physiological. There are a couple of things that we didn't get to touch on that I do want to touch on, and one of those is actually something that I've heard, not just in hospital births, but in home births and birthing center births too, and that is this idea of having a cervical lip, but it also I think we probably have to back it up to the idea of cervical checks. I've talked about this on the podcast in the past, because I think people that have listened to my story know I did cervical checks with my first birth and then after that I had noped out and was like, no, I'll never have another cervical check again, mostly really motivated by the fact that I had some trauma around that experience and I don't want anyone's hands inside of me, but also because I trust God's design and I trust that my body is, my cervix is going to open when the baby is going to be born and then the baby will come out of my body when the baby is ready to come out.

Rebecca Twomey: 3:12

And I've had so many women that have had babies that are like you don't have cervical checks. Well then, how did you know when to push? I'm like my body knows, it knew, it knows. And I think that when we become as in tune with our bodies as you need to be to have an unassisted birth or to really take authority over your own body and that autonomy, and just really believe that your body is was built to do what it was built to do, I think it does change the perspective.

Rebecca Twomey: 3:45

But there's still this mentality out there that you need to have cervical checks or else you won't know what's happening, even though you and I know the service could be a three, according to the medical folks, and then be a 10 minutes later, or it could be a 10 and someone walks in that you're not comfortable with and it's back to a two or three. So I'd love to hear more about what you think about cervical checks first of all, and then what you think about cervical lips, like having a cervical lip is it? Is it as impossible to have a baby come out with a cervical lip as we are? Not that people say that's impossible, but you know I hear lots of stories about it being held back or different scenarios. So talk to us.

Audrey Ross: 4:34

Okay, let's see where do I want to start this. I've looked at all these directions I get started from. Any woman who's had a cervical check knows how painful it is. They know how miserable it is. My first birth I had cervical checks. It was by far the most painful part of my entire labor. Hands down, it beat any, any contraction, any sensation. I had it beat it. It was awful, it was horrible.

Audrey Ross: 5:00

And yes, you can go from a, what we want to call a one to a 10 in 10 minutes or in you know four weeks or what we mean. Yeah, the number, I could say probably any number out there, because here's the thing about birth that where you're not measuring your cervix is like we don't even actually know. And so all of these, I tend to like not even care a whole lot about birth studies, because if there's ever a study on birth, it has taken place in a medical facility, because that's the only place they can actually study birth, which means the birth is disturbed, which means the study has been tampered with, which means the result Right.

Rebecca Twomey: 5:43

Great points.

Audrey Ross: 5:46

I do not treat any type of birth study with a whole lot. I don't give it a whole lot of facts out, right? Because that's disturbed birth and I'm not actually really interested in studying disturbed birth. So all the, all the things they could tell you about you know a woman who's dilated, you know this. To that, whatever doesn't really matter.

Audrey Ross: 6:03

But we know that the cervix does what it wants to do in birth, according to what the baby is doing, according to the body is doing, according to what is happening in your environment, whether you're safe or whether you're not safe.

Audrey Ross: 6:16

And so that when I, when I consider the fact that in birth your focus might be like how is my cervix, like what a strange thing to be thinking about in labor, like where my cervix is at, I wonder how dilated I am. And it's actually a really really strange thought actually when you think about it, when everything else is just happening and flowing and and that's not something that any other mammal ever even considers. So just to kind of like break down like the silliness of it, hopefully for people like it's really it's a silly practice. Also, we have doctors and midwives, and some are male and some are female and some are six foot two and some are five foot zero and they're all given cervical checks and you can't tell me. They all have the same height, size, hand and they're all measuring the same thing. So it doesn't like your. Is it your 10, or is it his 10 or is?

Audrey Ross: 7:06

it her 10? Whose 10 are we going by? We don't actually know. So it's just a real. It's a real bogus thing to even be measuring, because we're measuring with people's fingers. It's a strange, strange, strange practice to think that we need to shove our hand up inside of a woman and see if she's big enough.

Audrey Ross: 7:28

And the thing about birth is that when our body is ready to push, it pushes and we feel this urge and women feel a feel and need to bear down and that's the natural feeling that will happen in labor. And some women feel that earlier and some women feel that later, and some women have long periods of feeling that sensation and pushing, if you want to call it that. You know, but that's not like a purple pushing, like just on their own, they're just at the end of their contraction, they're at the end of it. And other women, they don't actually feel that sensation until their baby like literally flies out with them and that's the real ejection reflex, and that's that's totally beautiful too. And one is not right and one is not wrong, like they're. Both just are, because birth can be so many different things.

Audrey Ross: 8:13

So I think, when it comes to the cervical lip, well, for one thing, like, if there is still a piece of the cervix that has not fully opened, then the baby is not ready to emerge, right, and so I hate to be like coined to this term for something that really only means that the body is not fully opened and the baby is not ready to emerge, and so I think a lot of damage is done then by continuing to prod and pry at that area of the body and try to make something happen.

Audrey Ross: 8:49

But to back up, I will say that I think cervical checks really do lend themselves to creating a cervix that does that, because, as we talked about in the previous episode, the cervix will open and close in in relative, in relativity to how you feel safety. Wise, now you can say you feel safe, but let me tell you your your subconscious knows far better, and your subconscious will dictate what your body does. And just like you can't poop with somebody staring at you stranger staring at you even you know you go to the bathroom in a public restroom and somebody else comes in, doesn't feel as easy a poop anymore, right, because now we know somebody's all next door to us.

Audrey Ross: 9:30

So our body, the skinctures in our body, the things that open and close in our body, they respond to how we feel. So a woman who's had multiple multiple cervical checks, multiple multiple intrusions and invasions into her birth, her cervix has not just been allowed to just do what it's supposed to do, which is to slowly, gradually or even quickly open. It's open, closed, open, closed, open, closed, open, closed, open, closed. And I also think that anything we kind of poke and prod in our body gets inflamed. Right, if we did, if we were constantly sticking our fingers down our throat to make sure that our throat was big enough to swallow our food, I'm going to tell you you're going to have sore throat, like your throat's going to be inflamed. If you're constantly sticking your finger up your nose or any orifice of your body. If you keep sticking something where it actually doesn't belong, at that time it's going to be inflamed. Like it just seems like the most simple thing to actually like, make sense of.

Audrey Ross: 10:27

And so now, when we have a cervix that is not happy, it doesn't want this in it, and so can it become inflamed? Could it become a little swollen? Yeah, it can. And so then, are we labeling that cervical lip and we think we have to hold it back and pry it back. Maybe maybe the maybe it's swollen, maybe maybe the problem was totally created, or maybe body just wasn't fully ready yet and we said it's time for this baby to merge, and the body was like it's not quite time. It's close but it's not quite time, and so it's just such a it's such a label to tap, like well, it's a cervical lip, and I just think that we're not looking into, like well, what happened, what happened leading up to it, and maybe your body just wasn't quite ready to give birth. So does that help? Does that answer? Absolutely.

Rebecca Twomey: 11:21

No, absolutely, it absolutely does, and you make some really great points there. In my first birth, which was the hospital birth, they were doing cervical check, sticking their hands up there, and I later learned that I and I also was told to push because they told me I was a 10 and told me to push. And after the whole thing the OB is like I got to do after they, the OBGYN cut my bladder when she made the incision for the C-section and I had to wait for three hours for a urologist to come because the urologist that was on call didn't feel confident sewing it because of the way that she cut it. So they had to get some guy that was asleep at home to come to sew it right. So we had to wait for this guy to come sew the bladder so they could put everything back in and close it. And then after that this OB is back in here doing stuff and I'm like what's going on here? And she's like oh, you had cervical tears. How did I have cervical tears?

Audrey Ross: 12:25

Yeah, yeah.

Rebecca Twomey: 12:26

If not from being hands up there and being forced to push, told to push, and so I totally this resonates, because it's like the more that we mess with the body, the more we mess with what our body is supposed to be doing on its own, the more problems we create in that whole cascade. This is back to the conversation of the cascade of interventions, right, One thing leads to the next thing leads to the next problem and the next problem and then, oh well, we saved you and your babies here and your baby. At least your baby's healthy. You're hanging on by a thread mentally, but at least your baby's healthy. I love that one.

Audrey Ross: 13:11

Of course they tore your cervix. You are not the first woman to tell me that her cervix was torn with cervical jacks.

Rebecca Twomey: 13:17

Yeah, it's crazy to think back on that, and so you know, of course, going through that made me step back and want to look at it, but my hope is that those that are listening to this podcast don't go through it. You know it's hard. It's like a parenting thing, right? We want to teach our kids so they don't have to go through the bad stuff themselves, but sometimes we do have to go through the bad things in order to understand, and I know that God led me through these things for a reason. I would never go back and change it right, because I wouldn't be as on fire for birth as I am now if things went differently potentially, you know. So it all happened for a reason. I do want to save all of the women, if I can, to say just say no, you don't have to have people's hands inside of you in order for your baby to be born. I promise you the baby will be born.

Audrey Ross: 14:12

Yeah, women who don't birth without cervical check, who birth without cervical checks? You don't know because we never checked right. So if it's only there, if we check and you don't actually need to be checked, we don't know what happens when we don't check.

Audrey Ross: 14:24

So it's a whole world of unknown, where we trust the body. Does that sometimes happen where cervix is not checked? We just don't know because we don't check and we trust that when it's time the baby will emerge. Yeah, you're not going to be ready to come out and you're just like well, you know what? I just sat there for eight hours and I didn't feel like I needed to push. No, your baby will just push your baby out. Your body will push your baby out. We don't need to be told to push. It's not a thing.

Rebecca Twomey: 14:54

Yeah, yeah. So one of the things you and I were to have talked about together is really trusting God in all things. Right, like we're talking about birth, but there's another part of birth, that, or another part of going into birth, that we may not actually make it to that point. You and I have both experienced loss through miscarriage and I know you have a beautiful story of how that led you to foster children and to get involved in that, and had you not gone through that experience, it was like God was holding on to the timing to say there's a baby coming, just it's in a different way than you realize. So can you share a little bit more about that with our audience?

Audrey Ross: 15:45

Yeah, I would love to. It's so beautiful how God does things and we can struggle in the moment because we don't understand, but we see it afterwards. It's just beautiful. So I was pregnant with my second child and at that point my husband and I we kind of felt like one child, felt like a lot, and then we're like too, okay, this is going to be a handful. And so we had had this conversation like do you think this is the last one? Like what do we think? And I said no, it's not the last one, because God keeps showing me that there's another baby that we're still supposed to have. And God has shown me all of my children. And this is the actually very special relationship that God and I have, but in different ways with every child. And every time I would see this baby, it was a baby that had curly hair, and so I said it's a little girl with curly hair, dark, curly hair. I told my husband, and so we kind of like talked about that. I'm like that's so interesting because neither one of us have dark hair. I mean it was like dark, dark hair. But we do have that some on his, on his, like his sister, with really dark hair. So we're like that would just be so unique to have that come out in our genetics, and so I felt that really strongly.

Audrey Ross: 16:53

Well then my, my son, was born. Number two was born and about you know, close to a year later my cycle came back and we were ready to get pregnant right away, like I was so ready for children again, and it just kept not happening. It kept not happening and I went through a miscarriage. I went through what I was just telling you, rebecca chemical pregnancy, which I don't think there's anything chemical about them, but they are. They are a brief pregnancy and in a very, you know, early loss, just days before she just stays after your normal period would come. And so in that period it was just a period of, like, calling out to God so often and just pleading with him and wanting a child so bad. And in that season is where God called my husband and I to do foster care, which he called, told us each separately, and neither one of us wanted to tell the other, because previously we had said, like we will never do that, that's chaos, we don't do chaos, like we will birth our own children. And God called us separately to it and and we, and we knew beyond a shadow of doubt we are called to this. And so I remember it was just shortly after all of our paperwork had gone through we got the call. There's a little boy who needs a home. He's three and a half months. Can we bring him tomorrow? And we're like, yes, of course you can. And my husband was at the house and he was there when they brought the baby to the house, and I arrived shortly after.

Audrey Ross: 18:23

But you know, when you, when you give birth to your baby, you pick your baby up and you look at it and it's this moment of saying like oh, that's who you are, and like I knew you. But like oh, my goodness, that's you. Oh, of course it's you. But also like oh, but you're like meeting them, but you also knew them forever. And it's just this beautiful moment of like, realization, of like oh, I always knew you.

Audrey Ross: 18:46

And also this is so brand new and I'm just seeing this face for the first time and my I can just even visualize it, like my husband's holding him on the couch and I can see the back of his head and it's a head of black, curly hair and like walk in and he, like my husband, like, hands him to me and I pick him up and I was like, oh, my goodness, this is the baby that I have been seeing. And I was like it's you, like I didn't know it with you, but it's you here, you are, like you are my baby and and he was my baby, and he is my baby and he's in our family permanently. And I had that same feeling. In fact, I tell his birth story, I tell his, I tell his story, his mom's birth story, his tummy mom, and I am his mom. And he gets to hear that because all the kids, all my kids, want to hear their birth story, and so I tell him he loves to hear about when I first saw him and he'll ask me to like Tell, tell me again, mommy, tell me again.

Audrey Ross: 19:44

And it was the same feeling. And I it was so gracious of God to show me that ahead of time, so that I had this moment of saying like that's, oh, that was the baby I was waiting for. I didn't know that was the baby I was waiting for. Oh, this is going to even get crazier. Do you want to add, do you want me to add, the craziest parts to this?

Rebecca Twomey: 20:01

Yes, yes, that's so sweet, yes.

Audrey Ross: 20:05

Okay, so, um, and I've considered I've shared, like some of my other conception stories of, like baby one and two, but I haven't shared these parts. So, um, so he was in our family, um, and then still, I was not getting pregnant, not getting pregnant, not getting pregnant, and I have been praying and praying, praying to God, and, um, it was my. So we were, we were out camp, we were camping and while we were camping went to this um, we had a camp ground and we walked into this like building where they play games and everything, and nobody was in there, kind of like a no, I can't think of the type of room. It is, anyways, like a big room in the campground that was available for people to put stuff in, but nobody was there and they had this big, like crank thing like a bingo, um crank thing with all the bingo pieces in it. And so, like, I cranked it once and the and the number in 31 came out, and then and it's called like tons of numbers, it was the biggest, the biggest thing I've seen I crank it again and another, another one comes out and it's in 31 again and God said to me right in that moment there'll be new life in 31 days and and I had just been studying how, in the Bible, everything's confirmed in pairs of two or three, and so it was a very powerful moment for me to be like that's two, like I had this awareness of that and I I was, I was like felt shaky about it and I told my husband and I was like I can't wait to get back to the camper so I can actually like look at my phone and see when I am going to ovulate. And it was exactly in 31 days and I was, and I was pregnant and I knew I would be. I knew it. God, god told me, told me I mean, have the picture of it. I knew beyond a shadow of doubt. He's told me every single time and so. But what gets even crazier is when I was a child. Well, this is I have not shared this on me on, I've shared this.

Audrey Ross: 21:48

Okay, and I was a child, I had this dream that I, that somebody just dropped off this baby on the doorstep and like nobody in the house, like was aware that the door was knocked on, I opened the door. It was this very tiny baby and I brought it in and I was like, well, I'm like somebody brought a baby to our door. What do I do with it? She was like you take care of Audrey? And I was like, oh, and she, like, she like was not concerned. And she was like no, that's, that's your job, you take care of the baby. I was like, oh, my God, I don't know how to take care of a baby. And she was like it's your job to take care of it. And so, like, I brought, I took the baby downstairs, so it was like bedtime because it happened that evening, and I was like okay, we have to put the baby to sleep. And so I made it a bed, like right next to me on the floor, and I laid this baby on the bed and I went to sleep.

Audrey Ross: 22:36

And the next morning, I mean I really like this all happens in my dream. But like I woke up for real and I was frantic because the baby wasn't there and I was crying, I was emotional. It was the most vivid dream and I've had several vivid dreams, but it was it like stands out amongst a few of them, searching the house, crying to my mom like where's the baby? Searching underneath my bed, and all of that like I've always known, okay, there's something there. I've always. I tend to have some, some dreams in my life, and so I hold on to them and I don't I'd ever talk about them until something has happened with them, but I just knew there's something there.

Audrey Ross: 23:13

And so, a week before, a week before I, the 31 days were had come to pass. So this is it. What's like, what's seven? At 24 days past, when God has said this, we get a call and they say we have a baby here. She's, she was just born yesterday. She needs a home. Well, you take her and we're like, of course, like, how do you say no to that? You don't see, can't say no to a baby. Of course we'll say yes. And so we say yes.

Audrey Ross: 23:44

And so that first night I got her you know she, we got her all wrapped up and she was really tiny. She showed up the house and I laid her down on the bed on the floor. So we have like a really pretty low bed, but we have mattresses that like pull out right next to our bed for our kiddos and I laid her right next to me and I remember going to sleep, like looking at her, and we're just like so excited we have a little baby in our house and I was also grieving for her mother because, like, her mother just had a baby in the car. And it's like this whole set of emotions because I understand the disconnection of mother baby, anyways, all that's going through my head. And the next morning I woke up and it was like I was a little girl, waking up and rolling over and it's like my dream completed. I like rolled over and I looked at this baby and it was like that was my baby, that I had been looking for since I was a little girl like that I knew.

Audrey Ross: 24:42

But it was the exact same picture. It was the exact same layout as, like, how I was laying and how she was, you know would have been laying, and how I put her to sleep. And who am I emotional. I haven't told this before. Anyways, she's also going to be permanently in our home.

Audrey Ross: 24:56

Oh, my gosh and God he faced for these two children and I don't know why he chose them. I don't know why God does what he does. But then, just a few days later, I was pregnant and so I went through that pregnancy with a newborn in my arms and that was a very unique experience. But yeah, just we don't know. We don't know what God's plan is, and I know that sometimes I'm a little unique in the way God has shown me things in my life, and I know everybody doesn't always have those. God speaks to us all very differently and those are the ways that God has chosen to speak to me, and so sometimes other people don't have that, but in the moment I didn't know those things either.

Audrey Ross: 25:42

I can just tell you that now, because they have come to fruition, and so sometimes it's helpful to reflect back on past experiences and see where God's hand has been at work and that gives us the trust and to fully trust him with the rest of our journey. Right as a woman, I'm trusting God with the rest of my fertility journey. I'm 40 now, but you know what Menopause isn't until 52. If you're a healthy individual, 52 is like the age you should be hitting menopause, and I still have lots of birthing years. But I'm trusting that all to God. I'm trusting whether he wants there to be other children from other families in our home or not. So it gives us, if we can see his hand in the past, then it gives us that confidence to continue to look for his hand and trust his hand in the future.

Rebecca Twomey: 26:33

That is so beautiful, so beautiful stories. Thank you for sharing. Thank you, that's amazing. You know, I have a good friend who had a word from God, who similar experience, where they were trying for a baby and God gave her a word. And when she was in church I forget where she was she was somewhere one day and she just had this feeling from the Lord that said you're going to have a baby in X amount of days. And she was like I don't know how that's even possible because I'm not pregnant. Maybe it means I'll be pregnant. And then when that day came, she got a phone call and it was a baby for an adopted baby, and literally that promise was fulfilled, or that moment from him.

Rebecca Twomey: 27:23

So it's amazing, he really works in such incredible ways and, like you said, not everybody, it's not the same for everyone, and I think that that's the important part for all of us to just kind of come into is whether he gives us a glimpse or not. We have to trust and put our trust in him for what is going to be and what is right for our future. It's so inside of us, I know it's inside of me to want to know or to want to try to control the situation, but at the end of the day it's up to the Lord. He has decided how many children he has for us, if any at all, and I think that the surrender to that is similar to the surrender in birth. It can be scary to surrender because it means we have to give up all of our time that we waste talking about, oh, I want this and I want that. But it is such a beautiful thing when we do. Oh man, you brought me to tears and you also just tingly everywhere and I'm like Lord, send me messages.

Audrey Ross: 28:37

I'm excited to know that they necessarily I mean I have become more in tune as a child? I wasn't, but there's a handful of dreams I had of a child that I still know. Some of them I've seen, realized and some of them I haven't, and so I just kind of like sit with them and I don't know what. You have God, really vivid to me this week. I'm not going to tell it because it hasn't happened, but yeah, I just kind of, I just hold on to them. I have a book where I write all these things down.

Rebecca Twomey: 29:04

That's awesome. Are you a lucid dreamer? Is that what that's considered?

Audrey Ross: 29:08

I'm not even a big dreamer, but God speaks to me that way. So when I dream.

Audrey Ross: 29:14

I mean, I have like those random, crazy dreams, but there are dreams that are real life and I know I guess I just wake up and I know that they hold meaning and I know that there's something there and I always have all the pieces of the puzzle and I could tell you that dream, as I dreamt it yesterday, because it's a normal dream, kind of like the parts of pieces fragment in your mind in a normal dream and it gets kind of messy, kind of how it all happened. And these are dreams that never fragment. I could tell them, I could have told them the day after, I could tell them now, and they're the same and there's a clarity to them. That's not like a normal dream.

Audrey Ross: 29:52

My first child we hadn't had children for nine years in marriage and we had not prevented it at all. I figured I was infertile and we were not medical people, so we weren't going to go do all the medical things. We just were like okay, this is our lot in life and we were working to come to terms with that and we kind of. At that point I had a great career and my husband was a pastor and he had a busy schedule and so it was like. We were like okay, this is fine. And God woke me up in a dream and said it's time to have a baby. And I was like mm-mm.

Rebecca Twomey: 30:25

I'm not.

Audrey Ross: 30:26

I was Not now, god, I had a lot of life going on and oh, it made me sick for days. And then we went to this movie. It was a date night, friday night, and we're watching this like western shoot-em-up movie and I told my husband I'm like we have to leave, I have to tell you something, because I can't even watch the movie. God's like screaming in my ear like tell your husband, tell your husband, tell your husband. And I'm like ugh. And he's like now, we have to leave now. And I was like yes, we have to leave now. God told me I have to tell you something. He's like we can't finish the movie and I was like no, we can't finish the movie. So we literally leave in the middle of this movie.

Audrey Ross: 31:00

We go sit down in this restaurant and I'm like I tell him like God woke me up in a dream and he said it's time to have a baby now. And he's like okay, then let's go make a baby. And I was like really? And he's like, yeah, and literally, I kid you not, we were pregnant and that is only the hand of God, because we had not prevented it for nine years. Right, that was God's perfect timing. Why does that happen to me? I don't know Some people get pregnant in their wedding night. I don't know, god is so unique with each one of us, but that's what he's looking for me and so, yeah, I know it was God. And then I have ridiculous dreams that make no sense and I'm like, wow, I don't know what all of it was, you're like I'm just going to write this down and bank this for later.

Rebecca Twomey: 31:45

We'll find out what's going on with this.

Audrey Ross: 31:47

So I just learned, like just write him down. So I have a book. It's like I write down the things that God, that I feel like God has told me right, Because the thing about like something that might be prophetic is we don't actually know until it comes true, and so I hold those things lightly until they happen, I write them down. But it's not a time to be like God told me this, this, this. It's really wise if, when God does that, you hold on to them. They're precious in your heart, and then when God comes through in his faithful, then you can tell. Then you can tell oh, God has done. Yeah, At least that's my feeling on it.

Rebecca Twomey: 32:26

That's amazing. You know, there is such a biblical backing to some of this too, in that we're told that the Lord opens and closes our wombs, and I think that we take that for granted in our society because we just assume that it's open unless we have infertility. Then we're like, oh, something's wrong with us. But what if it's just the Lord closing our womb for that period before it's reopened? Or maybe he has a different plan for us, or it's a different direction. It's through fostering or through adoption or whatever. He has a plan and that's, I think, what we're both coming to here is trusting him in his plan for our lives. Because he specifically tells us I know the plans I have for you, plans for hope in a future. So that's such a. Your story is so beautiful. I just oh my gosh, I told you I love talking to you and this is I want to hear more about your stories and your dreams.

Rebecca Twomey: 33:31

I'm just going to say we'll get out of here, but I also you do sessions and classes on birth and all that. That. I think we haven't talked about this yet. I'd love for you to share more, because I know how passionate you are about this, about birth, about sharing with women and teaching in all of that. Tell us a little bit more about that side of things. What do you do in your coaching? Do you have coaching sessions, or are there group sessions or Well, I do both.

Audrey Ross: 34:02

I do one-on-one coaching sessions, which could cover anything from a birth trauma debrief where we you share your birth story in detail and we break down what happened and you have somebody to pull this into you and understand your perspective right. Like I'm knowledgeable at birth, so I understand, like how traumatic it is. And there can be things that a woman shares that she didn't even put these pieces together and it's really helpful to have these pieces put together for her to make sense of her story. Because women come out of birth feeling like something went terribly wrong and I don't totally know what it was, but it feels awful and like I can feel it inside me and I'm having flashbacks but I just like what happened, and so that can be really helpful for women to share their story. And I'm not a licensed therapist or anything like that, but I know birth, I know women, I've been in ministry for what has it been now 18 years?

Audrey Ross: 35:01

My husband's a pastor. I've done counseling with him. I've done counseling with women, like I've sat with women's stories of a variety of stories you know across the board for many, many years, and so that's just been another avenue of sitting with women and being with them and hearing their story. And then I do one-on-one coaching, which is it's actually really fun because it's this vast array of things of women saying you know, I have this and this going on.

Audrey Ross: 35:29

I was diagnosed with colostasis in my last pregnancy and now no midwife will see me, or I'm free birthing for the first time. Like what do I need to know? Or these are my questions I have. Or my husband is not on board. Can we talk through what it looks like to bring him along? I mean, it's such a variety. I've even had women who would be like I just need to talk to somebody who will see birth in the same page as me. So like I'm gonna basically schedule a date with you to like talk birth and feel like I'm not alone in free birthing or in whatever birth choice that they're making. Because women can feel really isolated in that their family doesn't understand and sometimes they're part of a church and churches are like actually the worst understanding. They love the medical system and so they can feel let's be honest, right?

Rebecca Twomey: 36:18

I know I giggle because I'm like yep.

Audrey Ross: 36:23

They can feel more ostracized. I mean they can go to their chiropractor and feel accepted and loved and embraced. They go to their church and they will feel shunned because they are choosing to birth outside of system and they're not working with a medical midwife or they're free birthing. And so women are looking for relationship and connection and just even like words of support or like I'm going to do this after I've had a couple C sections. Am I crazy? Tell me, I'm not crazy. I get such a variety of women or women who are like interested in going into birth work and they're like can you tell me about what you do and how you got there? So my one on coaching is it's a really a vast array. Like women can book a session and we talk about whatever they want to talk about.

Audrey Ross: 37:10

And then I do live calls. Actually just started that this year, but it's gone great and I'm going to keep doing it throughout the year. So I'll do one or two a month, and this month we'll have one call, that's birth related. And then we're going to do a second call which I'm really excited about, and it's about getting your child a passport instead of a birth certificate, because once you Interesting yes, you are now owned by the state. So if you're just trying to not have a birth certificate, cps cannot show up to your door and take them because they are not owned by the state. So, yeah, if you are interested in that information, we'll have. We have a gal coming. She's going to be a guest speaker for that. I don't know all about it. She's teaching me as well, so-.

Rebecca Twomey: 37:50

Is it Kim Kimberly?

Audrey Ross: 37:52

Kristen.

Rebecca Twomey: 37:54

Kristen okay.

Audrey Ross: 37:55

From Beta yeah.

Rebecca Twomey: 37:57

Save that again. What was her name?

Audrey Ross: 37:58

Beta, Beta revival is her. Instagram handle.

Rebecca Twomey: 38:02

Yeah, perfect.

Audrey Ross: 38:03

So I'm actually planning to post all that tomorrow. So I think-. Good yes in the call to discuss that, because we are birthing outside the system but then we are like registering our children back with the state and some of that's a disconnect and I've done it myself but I kind of-.

Rebecca Twomey: 38:18

It's so weird, isn't it? It's so weird when I had, when we had our first rebirth, and then we had to go to the department of whatever, to department of health, to register our baby with Caesar. That's what it felt like. You know, we're going there and they're like get your, register your baby with the government here, get your COVID shots here, get your vaccines, and we're like we're doing this, do we have to do this? Can we leave? You know? Yeah, so that's a great, that's awesome. Definitely, if you're listening, go to a joyful birth on Instagram to get the links to this, because I assume if they miss it in your stories, you're going to have it in your little links and all that.

Audrey Ross: 38:59

Yeah, I believe this is my top of the page. I actually put it up today. I haven't posted about it. I'll do it tomorrow, but you can actually. Yeah, even as now they could join. Yeah, okay, that call Awesome, because I'm limited, so they should jump on that, yeah.

Rebecca Twomey: 39:13

There are so many women that have those questions or that I see in, I'm in a couple of Facebook pages that are groups, or a couple of Facebook groups that are for home birth, whether it be assisted or unassisted or whatever, and unassisted, and I see that question come up sometimes Like how do you have a sovereign baby, basically, or how do you, you know, scoot around this.

Audrey Ross: 39:34

So they still need documentation so they can like work and live and like get a job if they need to, and so this is a way around it. Yeah, it's fascinating, yeah, so I'm super excited about that. So it'll just change month to month, but I do that. And then I work in person with women and I also offer virtual support. So there are women who are free birthing. They just want somebody that they know that they can call if they do have a question in her. So I offer that Awesome. And then you get a hold of me if they are free birthing and they have the question along the way, or they want me to jump on a zoom call and see how things are going. It's crazy what the virtual world offers, but that's actually becoming more common to have virtual support at a birth.

Rebecca Twomey: 40:19

It's a beautiful thing and, honestly, if you think about it, it's kind of almost, in some ways for a free birth situation ideal, because it's like you don't want anybody there in person. Anyway, right, it's like phone a friend. Yeah, hey, I got a question real quick.

Audrey Ross: 40:34

I'm gonna say that that's so fabulous it is, it's exactly what it is and it just gives and sometimes it gives a husband a piece of mind, because maybe he's feeling anxious, so he just kind of wants to know, like, well, if something happens, do we have somebody to call? And so it gives him a peace of mind to know there is somebody, whether or not they ever call me. It gives him that peace of mind and sometimes peace of mind is worth a lot, right? Because when we are at peace then we can move through things a lot more specifically.

Rebecca Twomey: 41:02

You brought up something very important there, and that's what if something happens? That's the biggest argument I've come across to why husbands aren't on board. Right, they say, well, what if there's an emergency? Or even not even husbands people that don't understand physiological birth will say that like, well, what if there's an emergency? And so I'm always like, what kind of emergency do you think is gonna happen during birth?

Audrey Ross: 41:22

What is it?

Rebecca Twomey: 41:23

Yeah. And then they're always like well, you could hemorrhage. I'm like, well, did you know you can manage a hemorrhage my favorite. I'm at the point, though this is bad. I'm at the point where I just like to say like totally shocking things, just to see people's reactions. I'm like did you know that if you put a piece of placenta in your cheek, it'll stop you from hemorrhaging? And they're like what is wrong with you? What is actually wrong with you?

Audrey Ross: 41:46

I'm like I'm serious, why would you say that Because it's God's definition. That's why.

Rebecca Twomey: 41:52

Because it's God's design. He designed us that we could actually, hey, prevent this from happening, but that's the thing is, like so many women or people in general, just feel like we're broken down, so we need to be at the hospital in case we need someone else's blood. First of all, think about that. We're gonna okay, so we lost blood, so we're gonna take someone else's blood and put it inside of us.

Audrey Ross: 42:14

Let's think about the blood situation in the world today. Yeah, we don't want that.

Rebecca Twomey: 42:17

Blood situation in the world not good. I actually really need to do an episode on Rogam because I need to have this conversation about blood. That's a whole other saga. On from my experience, just so you know, I had a oh negative, my husband's positive. I was duped into the whole Rogam, whatever you wanna call it. I personally have a conviction that I think that it's a scam. Like, obviously there's something going on that some people experience babies that end up having blood disease, they have issues or whatnot, but the proportion that they have blown it up into is the portion that I think has made this out to be. That's what I'm calling scammy, because it doesn't make sense that for the tiny, teeny, tiny percentage of babies that may experience this, that you're gonna give the 99% rest of them full blood, full blood, and you're gonna inject it inside of them.

Audrey Ross: 43:28

And it's a vaccine. It is labeled as a vaccine made by Johnson and Johnson. Let's not forget that. That is its label. You can go look at the Johnson and Johnson like manufacturing information from when it was made. It's called a vaccine but they're not telling women that.

Rebecca Twomey: 43:46

No, they're not. No, they're not. They're acting like you have to take this. And here's the saddest part is that many women will say I'm negative and my husband? I don't know what my husband's blood type is.

Audrey Ross: 43:59

And then they'll be like well, you need row game anyway, my husband and I are, so we don't even need it. But we actually know that. But so many women, yeah, they don't even find that.

Rebecca Twomey: 44:12

Yep.

Audrey Ross: 44:14

Husband could be negative and they never have a possibility anyways. Also, a woman's blood and a baby's blood is designed to stay separate, unless birth becomes medicalized and there is interference, and then that risk goes up because of pulling and prodding and cutting, which doesn't happen in understored birth. So in understored birth blood doesn't mix.

Rebecca Twomey: 44:36

No, yeah.

Audrey Ross: 44:37

Unless you're dealing with a baseball bat and there's actually trauma to you and your baby, like your blood systems are separate.

Rebecca Twomey: 44:44

Yeah, and they're designed that way, but yet they think that they'll at least this is how they'll act when you're, you know, in a hospital scenario that, oh, you could become sensitized at any moment, any moment. It's like this. What does that mean? Yeah, it's crazy. So I'll just give you a quick rundown. I've mentioned it on here briefly and, like I said, I want to do an episode on it because I think that this conversation needs to be talked about in a larger conversation. Because I was told you got to get row game at 27 weeks and then, after birth, and I was in the system and I'm like I don't feel good about this, but I agreed to do it.

Rebecca Twomey: 45:24

Shortly thereafter, I experienced these hives that would come up, pop up on my body, that were so itchy it made me want to rip my skin off. It was literally impacted my entire life. I couldn't sleep. I actually took unisom to sleep because I couldn't sleep. I was so itchy. There was a huge problem. And then I went to my OB and I'm like I don't know what's going on here. Maybe I was doing my own research. So I'm like maybe something's going on with iPups or something like that, and she was like no, your liver, livor, bile's fine, you should just take an oatmeal bath. I'm like I'm telling you something is wrong.

Audrey Ross: 46:07

Yeah, this is not. No, this is not an oatmeal bath.

Rebecca Twomey: 46:10

I ended up buying an e-book on Amazon for like $4. And I went back to a couple months ago and I was like, oh my God, I can't even pronounce what it stands for, but it's like you know.

Audrey Ross: 46:25

It's a long one.

Rebecca Twomey: 46:26

Yeah. So basically some pregnancy-beamed medical issue and she basically said it's your liver problem, your liver isn't processing, it's not functioning properly. And her remedy was dandelion root, was to take dandelion root, drink dandelion tea, dandelion it up. But also you need to eat clean, clean out your body, you know, remineralize yourself like don't eat any junk, don't eat any trash, whatever. So and then she also had kind of some suggestions for topically. She said to use grandpa's pine tar soap and that would help topically. So I did that.

Rebecca Twomey: 47:10

I made my own little concoction of coconut oil with mint, peppermint and tea tree oil, because I'm just thinking like tea tree oil is and antimicrobial like you know, I'm trying to think of all these things right. So I taken the dandelion drink in the tea, taking these showers, the hot showers helped so much. The hot showers were like so relieving. I was burning, scalding hot showers with this pine tar soap. I put my oil on. I was better in three days, three days. So I definitely am a believer in dandelion root being that kind of cleanser for the liver. Now I know it can also. It's the diuretic.

Rebecca Twomey: 47:47

So you have to be kind of cautious at some points in pregnancy. But I was desperate and that helps me in that scenario. But it gets crazier. I didn't know that it was from Rogan. I didn't put the pieces together because no one else put them together either. It wasn't until I went through my birth hospital birth, had the whole cascade of interventions, had a C-section, went through all that nonsense. And then they came into the room the night after I gave birth and they're like you need your second dose of Rogan and they give it to me.

Rebecca Twomey: 48:21

And then shortly thereafter maybe an hour 45 minutes, my throat started closing up. I had an anaphylactic reaction to it. And then that was when I was like why? What was going on? Of course they're like what did you eat? I'm like nothing. Yeah, I actually had to use my own EpiPen.

Rebecca Twomey: 48:45

I carry an EpiPen because I'm actually have an allergy to red four and they could get one fast enough. So I had to use my own. And they're really asking those questions after, like, oh, did you eat something? Did you do this, did you that? And that was the moment when I was like I, something is up with this. I got this vaccine today, the shot, and I looked back through my pictures and I looked back for the date where I got that first dose and it was within days after that that I started to have all these problems and I'm like I injected myself with a toxin, with all of this blood from all of these people that was pooled and it just made me feel like, oh my gosh. I ended up discovering there's a Facebook group called Brogame Rebellion and so many people sharing their stories, so many people talking about this and a lot of people are still in that group pretty pro this shot. Yeah, I understand.

Rebecca Twomey: 49:45

Yeah yeah, but it was definitely a learning experience and of course I've said I'm never doing that again.

Audrey Ross: 49:53

Right and look for hooting babies.

Rebecca Twomey: 49:56

Yeah, and guess what? I'm having children, and all of my children are positive. So there's that.

Audrey Ross: 50:04

Exactly, I have. All of my sisters, I think, have had Rogan, I think, except for me, because they are all a negative as well, and I've all seen their help Like they have gone through autoimmune things and stuff like that after their pregnancies.

Rebecca Twomey: 50:20

And I've heard a lot of stories like that too.

Audrey Ross: 50:22

I've been coming through from the outside and I'm like, oh, I see some connections, yeah, so we get, and that's the thing.

Rebecca Twomey: 50:31

My sister is my co-host on this podcast and we did a series a while back on Pharmakia and kind of this disturbance of our bodies and this introduction of medicine and medication to solve problems. But if we were to think about this from a God perspective, does it seem right that we're injecting other people's blood into our blood? We're told in the Bible that our blood is our life force and when we take on other people's, I mean what are we doing? It makes total sense to have autoimmune issues after this, because you could be getting blood from someone who has Lyme disease already or has Epstein Bar or who has anything. They can't filter that stuff out.

Audrey Ross: 51:23

Uh-uh no.

Rebecca Twomey: 51:26

No exactly.

Audrey Ross: 51:27

You don't know what you're getting. Yeah.

Rebecca Twomey: 51:29

It's scary.

Audrey Ross: 51:31

I think Lyme, you said the word scam and I would agree. And how many women have been having babies and never know their blood type and they're still having babies? Right, just pull the bail back a little bit, like we've been having babies forever and women don't have their blood, nope, nope, it didn't matter. Women have babies.

Rebecca Twomey: 51:51

And all of a sudden, now our blood pool is getting distorted and poisoned, and what are the effects of this going to be in the future? Moving forward, and when I say scam too, we've got to think about this from a corporate profit standpoint. If this is a line item, it's a line item. Yep, it's a profit center. You know they're selling something. When you work in business, you're always looking for another thing to sell, and that's their business. That's the business of pharma is come up with something to sell. Oh, 1% of women have babies with this disease. Let's sell this to the 99% of the other women. And now we're rich.

Audrey Ross: 52:30

Exactly, exactly. Yeah, I mean that's what it all. I mean it is a money making machine. That's what the medical industrial complex is. It's there to make money. It's a business. It's a brilliant business, but that is the purpose. They're not actually there to service and take care of us or anything like that. That's hot wash. It's a business.

Rebecca Twomey: 52:52

Well, I could certainly say here, talking to you all, day and night, was there anything else that was on your heart to share, whether it be about birth, whether it be about trusting the Lord, any of it.

Audrey Ross: 53:06

Not that it's just coming to my mind off the top of my head, is there?

Rebecca Twomey: 53:11

any other questions.

Audrey Ross: 53:12

I mean I could talk about birth all day long. I could talk about trusting All day long. I mean I could go off on the subject of trusting our womb to the Lord, feel very passionate about that.

Rebecca Twomey: 53:22

Yeah, talk to us a little bit about that. Let's talk about trusting our womb to the Lord, because I do think that that's a lot of women are. We're controlling, right. We're like, OK, I'm going to have a baby at this time, and then I'm not going to have a baby, and then now I'm going to have it. So share a little bit on your thoughts on that.

Audrey Ross: 53:42

First of all, do we trust that children are a blessing because God has told us that they are, and a lot of women, a lot of women do not. They can say that, but then children are hard work and children. You got to pay for children and you got to this and you got to that. And I don't know that we truly, as believers, trust or believe that children are a blessing. But if we do, I think that's where it starts right, because trusting our womb to the Lord means that we are open to His blessing and when we put it that way, it kind of changes it all. But instead we're saying we want to control our family size, we want to control whatever the money that it takes to have children is, we want to control this or that. But the actual question is are you open to God's blessings? And that may look different from one woman to another. I have chosen to have an open womb and this is only my fourth child with pregnancy. Other women have chosen to do that and they're up to 11 children, right.

Rebecca Twomey: 54:53

Have a friend and I think they're on tenor.

Audrey Ross: 54:57

That's not what God gave to me. So just because you would choose to have an open womb doesn't mean you're going to be pregnant every single year of your life, right?

Audrey Ross: 55:05

It doesn't, but it means that you're open to God's blessing. And I think we miss out. I think we miss out on so much. I think that the work of the Lord could be so much greater if believers were open to having the children God wanted them to have. Like, what children did you miss out on that God wanted you to have?

Audrey Ross: 55:27

I think that we want to really critique the whole culture that is switching genders and they're doing gender modification surgeries and all of that. Meanwhile, women are having their tubes tied and they're having hysterectomies and men are having bisectomies. They're literally altering the reproductive systems and we will say that is totally OK and simultaneously we'll say, well, it is not OK for this person to have whatever surgery they're going to have to turn them from a man to a woman or one to a man or whatever, if they can't. But you know what I'm saying, but that's a little like talking out of the sides of her mouth when we actually break it down. And again, do you trust God or do you not? Do you trust him or do you not?

Rebecca Twomey: 56:21

Sure, yeah, oh yeah, you touched on something there bisectomies. I would love to talk about that for a second.

Audrey Ross: 56:31

I have a whole highlight on that.

Rebecca Twomey: 56:34

Because it is something that is very common that people are like, oh, we're done having kids, I'm getting a bisectomy and me, being the nerd I am, I'm like do you know how that's going to impact your health long term? Do you know, does that make sense for us to cut off a bodily function that is supposed to have? What happens to all your stuff, guy? What happens on the other side of where that tie was severed? Yeah, I ask these questions and then people are like, oh, whatever, I'm just going to do it. Yeah, and it's. I don't know how did we get to this? What?

Audrey Ross: 57:16

It's well because, ok, first of all, birth was traumatic. And so women say I've already done my part, you do your part. I've already had the surgery, I've already had the C-section, I've already had the PZonomy, I was already cut, it's your part.

Rebecca Twomey: 57:29

So, first of all, if the birth wasn't traumatic, there would be no, there would be no part for him to do, right, that's true, if birth wasn't traumatic, then they would just keep having kids and potentially, and if we've had a positive mindset about parenting and if parenting wasn't seen as this you know, terrible, horrible thing in our society, where you lose all of your freedom, but instead, as God has blessed you with this child, Exactly.

Audrey Ross: 58:00

It'd be an entirely different paradigm and men wouldn't feel beholden. No man wants to get a vasectomy. They don't. They don't want to do that, but they feel beholden to that. They saw their what their wife go through, that trauma over and over, and they saw their what their wife Struggle through breastfeeding because they had a medical life birth and that bond was broken and it couldn't breastfeed. They saw all of that happen and they're like that's the least I can do. So they're good men, men getting vasectomies. They're good guys, they're trying to do the right thing.

Audrey Ross: 58:29

But let me tell you I so. My dad was a pastor growing up. My husband's a pastor. I've literally been in this world my entire life. I can't tell you the amount of men that come in for counseling after a vasectomy because, because their life is falling apart, their sex life is down the drain. They're in constant pain because their body a man's body is continually creating semen and now it has nowhere to go. And they're like your body just absorbs it. Your body absorbs some of it. Your body doesn't absorb at all and a man is continually creating that. So they're in constant pain. They don't have a sex fire they had before. Now they have turned pornography because they no longer feel like a man and they've been emasculated. So they don't want to be vulnerable with their life anymore. So they don't. So they go find another release where they don't have to be vulnerable. You'll have to be vulnerable with pornography. So their life is eroding and.

Audrey Ross: 59:21

Their wife's happy camper. She's not gonna get pregnant again. It's, it's not. It's not like it's not like. It's just a couple guys that came in for counseling for that that those were common currencies and and it's not like men are getting together and talking about it, because, no, men don't get around together and talk about their balls together. Talk about it unless you know that's safe, that's not happening, but they will come and talk about it because they actually don't know who else to talk to they have no freaking idea, but this is happening.

Rebecca Twomey: 59:58

Yeah, can they go to the doctor? The doctor be like oh yeah, you're fine, it'll go away yeah.

Audrey Ross: 1:00:04

Well, that's, that's not an uncommon thing, but we're not talking about that. So now your marriage is eroding and like and we were just not, we're not playing that tape forward to how this is impacting men, how this is impacting marriages, and then, and yeah, what the consequences of it, of it all is when we Change our body and that wasn't created you, so it's probably not how he wants you.

Rebecca Twomey: 1:00:30

It's interesting because there is a lot of things that we're doing today on that same level right, it's the vasectomies and Removing all bladders and removing tonsils and we're like taking out all these organs from our body that are serving purpose, that are doing things, instead of saying, well, wait, wait, wait, why is this happening? You know, perhaps there's something else that I can do to change my lifestyle to heal whatever issue. And I think On the female side of this you know we talked about vasectomies on the female side of this women who are getting their uterus taken out or parts of their reproductive system taken out, because they're having pain or heavy periods or endometriosis or whatever you want to call it. You know, I've Studied into some of this.

Rebecca Twomey: 1:01:17

Obviously I'm not super, I'm not a doctor or anything like that, but it would seem to me that Our whole body is communicate. Our body communicates with us and when we become in tune to it and we listen to what it's trying to tell us, you know there might be something else going on. But because it's a very normalized thing and it's a quick fix, it's easy, you know, we take it out and then your symptoms are gone. But how does that impact the rest of yeah, for the rest of how your body functions. I'd love to hear more of your thoughts on that one.

Audrey Ross: 1:01:52

I mean women would be lost after his direct. It's a. It is a, it's a deep hurt inside of them. They sometimes enjoy that, their symptom free, but it feels like a great loss to lose that part of their body and know that they could no longer have children, even if they wanted to, and that's usually I mean there's. There are things they could have done. And also, what choices did you make that possibly led you here? Were you on birth control for years and years of your life? You know what is your eating like? Have you been consuming everything in the world that is full of you know, synthetic things and hormones, and I mean our entire world is that way, but it's not actually looking at the Deeper pieces. And I I subscribe to German New Medicine. I don't know if you're familiar with that.

Rebecca Twomey: 1:02:39

But yeah, tell us more about that. I've heard some, but we haven't talked about it on here yet.

Audrey Ross: 1:02:43

I mean it's a massive. It's a massive thing to go down. But in German New Medicine, the symptoms are the healing, and and so when we remove a body part in the middle of the healing, we actually were like we were, our body was actually getting there and now we've, the healing was not complete, and so like for endometriosis.

Audrey Ross: 1:03:03

There there is there's a loss, or like if there was a miscarriage, or a woman wanted to be pregnant and couldn't be pregnant. The body actually is creating extra of its own to try to like satisfy this loss that a woman has, and so there are, there are ways to deal with that by addressing the subconscious level and actually and you know what a woman, when a woman gets pregnant, oftentimes like endometriosis Then is no longer there because she now she had her baby. There's, there's lots of ways to address it, but the root of the root of genome is that Every organ in her body is controlled by our brain and so Things don't happen on their own like you don't have, like this exema spot right here, because your skin had some reaction, because that's actually controlled by your brain and so it all flows through the brain. It's it is, it's like it's a long, amazing, fascinating conversation. I have a highlight about it if anybody wants like dive into it. I am, I am new, I'm a year into this journey, but I see it play out all the time in my life, but that would be a great place to just like jump in and like.

Audrey Ross: 1:04:13

Basically, the premise, though within like having a hysterectomy is like your body is actually in a process of healing because you're having these symptoms. So how do we Move you through the symptoms and staying stuck in what it's called a hanging healing, where your body is like Continually having maybe like a relapse of whatever was causing that, and now we're trying to heal again, and so it's called the things that are chronic are considered a hanging healing. How do we move a woman's body through that so she can be fully healed, instead of saying let's just remove it? So there's just deeper things behind what's happening, and choosing to remove a body piece is not body part is not addressing any of that.

Rebecca Twomey: 1:04:48

Yeah, that's interesting. Now, what about women who have already completed their you know, completed their reproductive period and they are Already gone through menopause, because I've heard this to like I don't need it anymore. Do we still need it?

Audrey Ross: 1:05:07

It still is giving your body hormones that you need Having full cycle, but it still is a vital part of your body. And then women yeah it's. Then they start having like bladder prolapses and things like that, because now other parts of their body are falling out because they Don't have the original parts. They're supposed to be there and yeah it's. I think there's always consequences.

Rebecca Twomey: 1:05:29

Honestly, yeah, absolutely, and I'm not getting any of my body parts cut out anytime soon.

Audrey Ross: 1:05:40

It wasn't needed. It'd be like a placenta where it fell out once it was done.

Rebecca Twomey: 1:05:43

Yes, yes, that's true. That's true, yeah, when our placentas are born, I love it. I, like I said before, I could talk to you literally all night. We are just so on this rhythm with all this stuff. But I know that you have babies, that you've got One, two, three, four.

Audrey Ross: 1:06:05

I'm six at home right now, yeah.

Rebecca Twomey: 1:06:07

Yeah, so I think you're a little busy, but I Time to nurse can go to sleep.

Audrey Ross: 1:06:12

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Rebecca Twomey: 1:06:14

I think thank you so much for being with us and for sharing all your wisdom. I appreciate you so much.

Audrey Ross: 1:06:21

It's been so lovely to be on here. Thank you for Thank you for being radical, thank you for being willing to think outside the box, because it's just such a blessing to talk to another woman of God who is that way, because we are a little unique in in the Christian world, and so it's such a blessing. I thoroughly enjoy it.

Rebecca Twomey: 1:06:39

Awesome. I think I need to change the name to the radical mission. I love it. I love it. Thank you so much. And you can find Audrey on Instagram at a Joyful birth again or on her website, a joyful birth org. And. Thank you for listening and for tuning in, being on this journey. And if you want to follow the radiant mission, we're on Instagram and Facebook at the radiant mission. If you're not watching this on YouTube, be sure to check it out on YouTube at the radiant mission or by searching my name, rebecca to me, t W O M E Y. And today we are going to close with Colossians three versus 23 through 24. Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart as working for the Lord, not for human masters, since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward. It is the Lord Christ you are serving. We're wishing you a radiant week and we will see you next time. Bye everyone.