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161. Pharmakeia in the Bible: Sorcery, Medicine, and Modern Deception
What if a single word could change how you think about medicine, choice, and the body? We take a hard look at pharmacia—the term translated as sorcery in Scripture—and follow its trail into our modern world of pharmacies, prescriptions, and promises of consequence-free living. Without offering medical advice, we unpack research, history, and our own experiences to ask better questions about intent, impact, and the line between healing and control.
We explore where pharmakia appears in Galatians and Revelation, what the Greek and Latin roots suggest about drugs, poisons, and enchantments, and how the Book of Enoch’s picture of the Watchers teaching “the cutting of roots” informs the moral tension around knowledge without wisdom. From there, we trace the cultural shift that makes quick fixes feel normal: direct-to-consumer drug ads, influencer endorsements, and a consent process that often feels more like marketing than meaningful choice. In that light, symptoms like headaches or fevers become signals to respect, not simply mute.
We also examine hormonal birth control through the lens of design and discernment, contrasting it with fertility awareness methods that cooperate with the body. The goal isn’t to shame choices but to elevate informed consent, root-cause thinking, and faith-led decision-making. We talk about risk trade-offs, how fear of death shapes our health choices, and why prayer, research, and humility can bring peace even when answers are messy. If you’ve ever wondered where medicine serves us and where it steers us, this conversation will meet you with curiosity and courage.
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Hello and welcome to the Radiant Mission Podcast. My name is Rebecca Toomey, and I'm here with my amazing sister and co-host, Rachel Smith. Hey guys. We are on a mission to encourage and inspire others as they're navigating through this life and with your relationship with Christ. Today we are going to be continuing a conversation that was started a few weeks back on one of our episodes with Carrie Flanagan. We mentioned the word pharmacia as referenced in the Bible, and its modern-day correlation that we refer to today as pharmacy or pharmacist. We really felt like this topic needed a little more context, discussion, exploration. And I think Rachel and I can both agree that we don't really know anything. And that we're sharing our own interpretation and even our own personal opinions. So please take today's episode with a grain of salt. This is just a discussion, but we like to discuss, we like to debate, debate, and we like to research. So we thought this would be an interesting topic to dive into. I also want to put a disclaimer that I should probably put this on every episode. We are not and never giving any medical advice. So anything medical related in this episode is purely conversational. Yes, absolutely.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, nobody needs to come for us. These are our opinions. We have a right to our opinions.
SPEAKER_01:And maybe we don't even know what our opinions are. No, I'm just kidding. We we have some kind of pre-built opinions, I would say, based on our experience with things and our research. So you know, we're gonna get into the nitty nitty gritty a little bit with some of this and from some research and kind of what we've discovered about this word and the context of this word, but it's fascinating. And I know you and I are both interested by it, and we figured, you know, it was kind of mentioned in passing in that one episode, and this is really its own topic. Yeah. So yeah, yeah. So let's get into a little bit. The Greek word pharmacia, which I'm pronouncing it that way because I'm an American living in the United States of America, but uh, I doubt the Greeks pronounce it that way. It appears in Galatians 5.20 and in Revelation 18.23. Terms from the same root word appear in Revelation 9:21, Revelation 21.8, and Revelation 22, 15. These are typically translated into the English language as sorcery, witchcraft, or sorcerer. Ancient Greek uses of pharmacia closely mirror the generic modern English word drugs. The same Greek root word produced English terms such as pharmacy and pharmacist. Of course, you know, when think we think of the word sorcery today, we're thinking of witchcraft and spells and hocus pocus and supernatural powers and supernatural shows on TV and stuff like that. And I know, Rachel, you have some notes about this idea of sorcery from a biblical context.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, so a few things that from my research is, and I'm gonna read this from this website directly. It's from online etymology dictionary, yes, which is where we got a lot of our research from. Yeah, yeah. One thing that I kind of wanted to touch on a little bit is like why we use the word pharmacy in our English language, and a lot of our I mean, there's a whole topic in and of itself is where all of our words come from in English. We can see for sure that a lot of our words come from the Greek and also the Latin. So I kind of wanted to look into why we use this word in science.
SPEAKER_01:It's very interesting to me that the word pharmacia in Greek was akin to sorcery, right, and that it was chosen to be used in terms of pharmacy and in terms of drugs. And so I think that's what we were interested in is where did this shift happen? And is there a correlation between the idea of a spell or sorcery and drugs?
SPEAKER_00:Right, yes. So from the etymology dictionary online is similar to what you read, is pharmacia is a preparer of drugs, a poisoner, a sorcerer. It's from Pharmaceon, a drug, a poison, filter, charm, spell, enchantment. Because that's uh, I don't know who that is, but there's someone they're referencing, writes that the original meaning cannot be clearly established, and the word is clearly pre-Greek. The pH was restored in the 16th century in French and 17th century in English. Buck notes that words for poison apart from an inherited group are in some cases the same as those for drug. In addition to the Greek word, he has Latin venom venenum, poison, earlier drug medication. Meaning the use or administration of drugs is from about the year 1400. The sense of art or practice of preparing, preserving, and compounding medicines and dispensing them according to prescriptions is from the 1650s. That of a place where drugs are prepared and dispensed is recorded by 1833. So we're looking at something that we've been using for the past several hundred years, but uh this is suggesting that the use of uh pharmacia was even pre-Greek. So that kind of brings me to some of the other interesting sides of this topic that I don't think a lot of people maybe know or even think about. I know that I didn't until I started digging in a little bit more to the book of Enoch. And we're mostly going to be talking about this from a scriptural basis today, and we're gonna talk more about the scriptures that this word or root word of Pharmacia is used in. And so, to reiterate, the book of Enoch is not in scripture, it's what's called an apocryphal book. We've talked about that in past episodes when we discussed Genesis six and the Nephilim. I believe that it is a at least the first book of Enoch, because there's technically three. I believe that the first is a good companion of Genesis, it's kind of painting another um more of the picture of the same story that Genesis is telling us. And in our previous episodes, we've done now, it's been a few months on the Nephilim. I talked about from, you know, in Genesis 6, it talks about how the sons of God fell from heaven and they took human women as their wives, and they're you know, procreated, and their offspring were what is called the Nephilim or giants. That's where this concept that's all over the Old Testament comes from. Well, in the book of Enoch, those sons of God or fallen angels are called watchers. And I know I read from Enoch six and seven, I believe, or maybe it was just six. And that episode. So if you haven't listened to that episode, I highly recommend going back to that.
SPEAKER_01:That's what I was just gonna say. Is if you haven't listened to that before listening to this, that's okay, but definitely go back and listen. It starts in episode three, but really the meat of it is in episode four, and then again in five.
SPEAKER_00:Right, yes, because it'll be just a lot more detailed like what the heck are you even talking about right now?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, because you give tons of context, those are actually our most listened to episodes. So if you're listening now and you haven't heard it, you're gonna want to because it's very fascinating stuff, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And it and it's pretty different from the stuff we've been talking about the past few months. So um, yeah, definitely a deep, deep dive. So I'm just gonna read uh short few sentences from Enoch, first book of Enoch, chapter seven, because I think it will just kind of add a layer to this conversation on Pharmakia. So, and all so this is coming right off of of six when the watchers fell, and it has just the end of chapter six names them all. I think there was 22 or something like that. So, and all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms and enchantments and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants, and they became pregnant, and they bear great giants whose height was three thousand L's. I don't know what that is, so it kind of goes on. Yeah, it got it goes on more in how they defiled the flesh of other animals on the earth, like birds and beasts, and how they turned against men and started devouring man, and then farther in down in later chapters, it talks about to just give a summary that the watchers not only taught the humans that what I just read charms, enchantments, and the cutting of roots, but they also taught them other technology like metallurgy, weapon making, and about war. And so I have read some scholars talking about this part of Enoch that essentially, you know, let's kind of create a picture in our mind. These divine beings, because this is what was then all of the pagan nation worshipped as their little g gods, every religion that had you know, polytheism of all their various pantheon of gods, what they were referring to were these watchers, and there were hundreds of them. And that, you know, you can kind of think in your mind like the Greeks and the Romans, they're kind of an easy one. That they had, you know, what was Cupid, the god of love, they had the god of war, I think that's Apollo, which Apollo is also mentioned many times in the Bible, including the book of Revelation. Um, you know, they had the God of fertility and all these different gods. And essentially, if we think about things from the biblical perspective, we know and understand that there is only one God, there's only one creator, the one true Almighty, which is Yahweh. But when these angels fell, part of their hubris, which started with uh Satan, is because uh he wanted to be like God and he cannot, and neither could any of these uh beings, and so they rebelled against God and came to earth, and their goal instead was to get uh humans to worship them instead of the one true God, and this is what we see all over the Bible is idolatry, yeah, and this is where demons stem from. This is one of the greatest, it is one of the greatest sins defined in the Bible and even talked about in the New Testament that these watchers defiled themselves with humans. So, to go back to that picture that I wanted to paint is imagine being one of these humans, you know, thousands and thousands of years ago, and these very powerful beings just walk up, you know, a big crowd of them, show up, and they have technology and they're beautiful, they're not ugly, you know, monstrous creatures, they are like us humans, but more. They're more beautiful, they're more powerful, and they have technology that humans of the time did not have. And they strike up a deal that if you trade your daughters with us, we will give you uh weapons, we will give you what I just read as defined charms and spells, and showing them the cutting of roots and trees. So, what some scholars have deduced from what that means is this is where magic, sorcery, medicine stems comes from. This is this is the this is the the genesis of that in human history. So it existed before, but it was the watchers, it was the fallen angels who taught this to human when they intermingled and then went on to uh uh commit even more atrocious sins against creator Yahweh. And this was terrible in his his sight, and this then led to him uh flooding the earth to start over again with genetically pure humans, but the watchers are in chains under the earth now, but the disembodied spirits of their children, the Nephilim, still have access to us in the spiritual realm.
SPEAKER_01:And that's you know, a little bit of what we get into on that episode three and four that we definitely listen to those episodes because I know that this can seem almost overwhelming because this isn't the kind of stuff that we talk about at church on Sunday, yeah, you know, um, and we talk about that a little bit in some of our previous episodes. That sometimes service can be kind of soft at a lot of churches or what we kind of refer to as cotton candy, that you know, they're and in it in a in many ways it has to be because if you were to expect new people that have never heard the word of God before to come into church, and then you're talking about all this wild stuff, you know, it's um it gets away from the message of Christ, and that's why a lot of Christians, I think, don't want to go there because they're like, well, we just gotta just focus on Jesus. But the Bible as a whole was given to us for a reason, and that's to really explore it and understand and learn from it. And I find it interesting that you know, I didn't know any of this stuff until I was in my 30s, and I've been, I was raised in the church, and we were both raised in the church, and it wasn't something that is always talked about. So if this is new, you're listening and you've never heard this stuff before, and you're like, what are you guys talking about? It's in the Bible, read it now. Obviously, the book of Enoch is uh a companion to, yeah, but and details a little bit more of some of the references, like she said in Genesis, and then also again in Revelation, some of what we what we see. So it is very fascinating that the watchers are the background for teaching charms and spells. Of course, I latched on a little bit to the cutting of roots and trees. Because to me, I almost think of it this way it was like humans hadn't figured it out yet. Um, actually, Mike and I were talking about this in the car today, about just how how a lot of times people worship creation and not the creator, yeah, which is witchcraft. He clearly created such an amazing world and system. You know, uh, I forget what he used to say. There there was a Christian scientist, Kent Hovind, back in the day, who used to say, You really think that the world came from a swirling bowl of goop or soup or whatever. And when you really think about how our ecosystems work, it's that would be impossible for it to come from a swirling, a swirling bowl of nothing because everything works together. And the way I kind of see this roots conversation is almost like humans were on this planet and they figured out a bunch of stuff, but they didn't know everything. And these angels, they were side by side with God and in heaven, and they're like, Man, that's cool. God created red raspberry leaf and it can tone a woman's uterus. I'm just gonna use as an example, or you know, this herb can do this, or um, fennel seeds can take your stomachache away. And they knew this because they saw God's creation from a different perspective, and it's almost like they went to earth and they're like, I know something you don't know, yeah, and I'm gonna tell you what it is, but then those same things can also be used for ill. Yes, you know, like um poisonous berries, for example. Now, I'm sure a lot of people had figured out what was poisonous by then, because you know, humans will eat and animals will eat almost anything, and I'm sure a lot of people figured it out and passed that on, but perhaps there were a lot of things that still had not been figured out at this point, and I kind of almost see it as the watchers being like, I don't know something, I don't know something you don't know, and I'll trade this knowledge and I'll teach you this. And I just think that things can be used for good and they can used be used for bad. Yeah, and it's the same thing when it comes to herbs. Herbs can be used for good to heal our bodies. But now let's take this to this back to this correlation between pharmacia and pharmacy. I think that a lot of people, I'm sure in the early days of medicine creation, like I think about penicillin, and when penicillin was first invented, so to speak, or they first figured it out that it could help um with bacteria, you know, with infection. And there definitely, I'm sure wasn't an ill intention there. I'm sure there is a lot of good intention when it comes to figuring out how to heal the body. But I don't know at which point it became I'm going to control the bodies that God has created, that I can fix it, I can solve it. It's almost like we talked with Dr. Stu about cause and effect, and it kind of reminded me of do you remember that movie Final Destination?
SPEAKER_00:Oh, yes, I think about that movie all the time.
SPEAKER_01:I don't know if I I hate scary movies, and so I don't even know if I even finished that movie. But for those that haven't watched it, and I don't even know if this is the right synopsis, but the way I remember it is everyone in the movie had like a fate that they were gonna die, but some people would dodge it, but then they would end up dying anyway, and it just in a different way because very graphic, violent ways, yeah, just violent ways. Don't watch this movie. No, it's terrible. Don't I'm not recommending it. It's what nightmares are made of. It is. Don't watch it, but that's kind of the same thing in my mind with this idea that we can create medical solutions to solve human problems. And it's like, all right, we're gonna create a birth control pill that will stop a woman from getting pregnant. Great, we've solved the problem. You're not gonna get pregnant, except you're gonna get cancer from this pill that you took to not get pregnant, or you're gonna get ovarian cysts that are going to explode inside of your body, or you're going to get acne, or you're gonna become infertile permanently. And it's a cause and effect that I see happening, and that's where I question the difference between it and sorcery. Now, let me just put out there, I'm talking, that's all. I'm just talking. This is not, I'm not condemning anything that any person takes. But I like Dr. Stu said last week, his whole thing is about informed consent. Yeah, and that's mine too. Is know what you're taking and why you're taking it and the cause and effect, and question whether or not it's worth it for you in your situation. And I don't know anyone else's situation, so I can't speak to anyone's scenarios and I won't because I'm not a doctor. Um, but it's the kind of thing that I think we are programmed as a society to be so comfortable with drugs and pharmaceuticals that we don't question it because it's not something that you do. Your doctor prescribes you a medicine for let's say it's high blood pressure, and you take it. And you don't know the cause and effect that that's going to have on you. You don't know that that could make you at a higher risk for having a stroke. And you think, well, does it matter? But I think that there's this is where we just all need to do our research and question what we are trying to get out of this? Like nobody gets out of this life alive. All of us are going to pass, all of us are going to perish. Are we just trying to save ourselves for an infinite amount of time? And my perspective on a lot of medicine has changed dramatically over the last couple of years to where, you know, I wouldn't go to a hospital unless it was like a dire emergency scenario. But even then, I have a hard time because now I have a hard time with the idea of blood and that type of thing. Like, I don't, I'm not um, I'm not feeling good about my life force. The life of the body is in the blood. Yeah, that's in the Bible, about it even being drawn, let alone me putting someone else's blood inside my body. I've done it before. I've donated blood. But right now in my life, it's something I'm questioning. And I've had a couple of people that, you know, are close friends and family that are like, Well, what would you do if you got cancer? I'm like, first of all, I would never know I had cancer because I won't wouldn't get any of the screening done to know if I have it. But second of all, 50% of people get cancer. Everybody gets cancer. And I know that what radiation does to people, do I want to then sacrifice certain pieces of my humanity to go through that process? Personally, no. If someone else wants to get radiation, by all means, I would never, you know, my goal here is not to say, like, don't do these things, yeah. Question it and to question it for yourself. And so these are things that are going through my head is like, if I was to get into that scenario, I would really have to sit with the Lord and be like, is this your will for my life? I will eat of your garden, I will eat as well as I can eat to try to heal my cells of this can't these cancerous cells. But is going into pharmacy what I want to do to get there? Anyway, I've been talking a lot. What are your thoughts?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, lots of lots of thoughts with that. I'm all over the place today. I I agree with you that it's it's a matter of an individual's choice, but I think kind of our bit, you know, our main core of our point behind even talking about this, and what we have learned in the past few years, is that you can never truly have informed consent about anything if you don't know what it is that you're putting in your body. Yes. And that's part of what seems deceptive about the pharmaceutical industry of today is that there's not a whole lot of informing going on. That I think you know, cancer is a pretty big extreme, but um I I think that that example is used because a lot of people equate having cancer to oh, it's life or death. Yes, exactly.
SPEAKER_01:They're like, well, wait, you could die, you're not gonna treat it. And I think my mentality is if I were to get a life-threatening type of cancer, you know, my uncle our uncle passed of stage four lung cancer, and he didn't know he had it until it was way too late, and it was horrible. But at the same time, like, would he have chosen to go through chemotherapy? I don't know. And if he would have, I would have supported him because he's my uncle, right? But if he also would have said, you know what, I'm gonna clean up my diet, I'm gonna pray, and if this is the Lord's will for me, then it's the Lord's will for me. I think that's kind of the place that I feel like I'm entering, I guess. I shouldn't say there's any absolutes, but it's like, but it's hard to say because you know, this is like a what's that game? Like, would you rather? You know, because anybody could be like, well, if you found out tomorrow that you had this type of cancer and you have little kids at home, well, you might make a different choice. Exactly. Yeah, we don't know, but we're also not promised tomorrow.
SPEAKER_00:Absolutely, yeah. And and also, this is an even if we're gonna do the would you rather game, this is even more difficult one is what if your kid was sick? Yeah, it's one thing to make it's one thing as a you know sovereign being over our own body to make a decision on our own health and our own future, and whether that's going through something very painful or dying, but it's another thing as a parent to make that decision for someone that you love more than yourself, yeah. And so that's that's where these decisions can be impossibly difficult, and none of us know for sure what we would do unless we were in that situation.
SPEAKER_01:Well, this is exactly why faith and our relationship with Yahweh is so pivotal and so important because if you're good with God and you are In a good place from that perspective, I think you don't have that same fear over death. I think there's a lot of fear about dying and wanting to live longer. When it's like if you know the joys of what is waiting for us, you don't have that fear in many ways, you know.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, and I think that that's a difference in the Christian perspective. I think that's what really rocked the world when in the first century Christians were being martyred left and right, literally being thrown into lions' dens at the Coliseum and their children being murdered in front of them, and this kind of stuff is still happening today to Christians in certain areas of the world. And it it's because the message behind the gospel, which is what Christians stand on, is that this life is not it for us. It's an eternity with our savior that is our truest life. That's what we're getting towards. And in the past several centuries, Christianity has, especially in the Western world, has become practically a caricature of the past. It's become just as worldly as the rest of the world. It's about comforts of our everyday and pleasures. And the more comfortable and pleasurable you are in your life experience right now, the tighter you hold on to this.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:These people in other parts of the world who are practicing the truest form of Christianity that there is, they're not holding on tightly to this life. They are are ready to let go. And I'm not like trying to like lecture us all to feel bad for being born in you know modern modern times, yeah. Times. Looking at the Bible, we look at what people have experienced and we look at what scripture says, and either we believe this, what it's saying to us, or we don't. And what the Bible says is that this life is a vapor. It says that all throughout the scripture, both old and new testaments, that this life is but a vapor, and and Yeshua said himself to how does he phrase it? To die is to live, that when you die, you crucify your flesh, your desires, your pleasures, and you live for him. That is truly living. So this is kind of a tangent we've gone on here on this topic, talking more about pharmaceuticals. So to kind of try to tie it all back in together is there is a wide range, obviously, on pharmaceuticals and how they affect our lives positively or negatively. You know, you kind of brought up the what I would say is probably the most extreme example of cancer treatments that's in the pharmaceutical world, but there's probably thousands and thousands more pharmaceuticals that are for just daily stuff, yeah. Right, to just better your life, yeah. Right. Like birth control is an example of one of them, of someone who doesn't want to get pregnant and they don't know any other way.
SPEAKER_01:And we have but let's sidebar this for one second because we could also group that into sorcery. At least I'm going to. This is my opinion coming out right now. I want to group birth control pills into sorcery because there is a natural way to track your fertility. There is a natural way to not get pregnant without having to take a drug, and that is what the world doesn't tell you. And this is my personal opinion on this, so please, you know, bear with a grain of salt. I truly believe that birth control is from the enemy, and it is a tool used to destroy women and their fertility and their future and the relationship between a man and a woman because it changes the even the scent of the other person. Yeah. If you listen to our previous episodes on fertility and birth, you'll hear us talk about fertility awareness method, is a method you could use. It has many facets. You could take your basal body temperature. There are other things I'm not going to explain on this, but so look into it. Fertility awareness method. But there are things that women could have done a thousand years ago to prevent getting pregnant, because guess what? You can only get pregnant a couple of days out of the month when you're actually ovulating, but nobody talks about this. I shouldn't say nobody. A lot of people don't talk about this because it's easier to take a pill. And that's where I think we have gotten so off track as a society that that is our normal is take the pill, take the pill for everything instead of how did God design these bodies? He's a genius. He created our bodies on a clock, on a natural clock. And if we tune in to how he created that body, we don't need the drug. Right. We can avoid getting pregnant if we want to avoid getting pregnant or need to for whatever reason. Right.
SPEAKER_00:Because if you think about it, what is the drug doing? The drug is preventing you from ovulating, it is it is manipulating your hormones and the natural processes of your body to prevent an egg from being released and fertilized, or to be fertilized. And that is going against the way our bodies were created to work. Yes. And there's going to be tempting your system. Right. So to tie this into sorcery, there's going to be an effect. An effect of that, right? Cause an effect. Yes. So and and so it's like, well, what just to keep playing on this one specific drug, because there's, like I said, thousands more that are literally just about making our lives easier, more convenient, more pleasurable. Is why does birth control have to exist? You know, the hormone or like for the pill, so that we can have consequences sex, so that we can do an act that was meant for procreation without consequences, so that we can what we've been sold, this lie we've been sold for the past 50 years, is that this is liberating women, that we can be free and do whatever we want with our bodies, who with whoever we want. And this is all just pulling away. So I'm really saying all this to kind of back up where you're saying that you believe, and I agree with you, that hormonal birth control is from the enemy because it's interfering with how women's bodies were designed to work, which then creates a cause and effect for her health, but also a cause and effect for her decisions and mental health. Right, right.
SPEAKER_01:Her mental health and you're sold a lie because you think that you're living this consequence-free scenario. But we talked about this in a previous episode, too, that it returns to us. I mean, there is no there is no consequence-free liberation. You might think that you're having that in the moment or during that period in your or stage in your life, but right, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And so, you know, I think it was for thousands of years, women, including women in marriage, would just keep getting pregnant and pregnant and pregnant and having more and more and more babies. You know, in modern times, people are like, Well, I don't want that for my life. Like, even if they are only having children in in marriage, God's design for us as humans was to be fruitful and multiply. This is this is just what the scripture says.
SPEAKER_01:Like, it says what it says, and we can't make what we want it to be to make our own interpretations and then like twist it around to mean whatever we want it to mean. Right.
SPEAKER_00:And it doesn't, you know, like maybe we don't want to have 15 kids, but our point is you cannot have 15 children without chemically altering your body. That's a modern invention, and and it was invented under this guise of women's liberation, and that it was so dangerous for women to be having babies, and it was so scary to continue to get pregnant. When all comes down to being educated, to being informed. If you are informed on how your body works and and informed on natural processes and informed on nature and how our bodies respond to natural elements from the earth, like minerals and and vitamins, and and to to truly live healthy lives the way that God designed, we don't have to be getting pregnant every single cycle. There's God's design, and then there is how the enemy has perverted God's design, and how it's not always just Satan, it is also our human nature to do what benefits us today and our flesh. Yeah. So yeah. To kind of move on from this, that that yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Let's circle it back to the word pharmacia again because there was something that I skipped over in our notes. And that is really that a lot of people I actually found this very fascinating when I was doing research about the term or the word pharmacia on Bible Gateway. They said the term sorcery increased by 193% as a search term in 2021 when compared to 20 to 20 2020, due to questions over the new uh darts that came out. And people wanted to know what the Bible said. They want to know what the Bible says about pharmaceuticals, they wanted to know is this all I don't know. I guess I could probably say mrna and not get censored. I don't know. Well, because it's it's not a it's not a typical jab, it's a gene therapy drug. Yes, it is it's and even if it was, but let's just slow down here because even if it was a typical one, have we stopped to question the typical ones? Do we really think that God's design is that poor that we we need to invent all this stuff to keep us alive that our survival weak of a civilization that we would not survive without men and women making uh cocktails to shoot into our bloodstreams?
SPEAKER_00:Right, yeah, because and that's my question because actually, God created something way more complicated and designed better, and that is our immune systems, and what compromises our immune systems is our environment that includes our diet and our water and our air and every single aspect of this modern technological world we are living in is compromising these immune systems that God created in us as a fail-safe, and these injections, and it's like think about how many people have autoimmune disorders.
SPEAKER_01:You know all too well about this. Yeah, I do. How many people have autoimmune disorders? Where did that come from?
SPEAKER_00:You know, it didn't just like come out of thin air, yeah, yeah, and and so yeah, it's very interesting to me that people are wondering about this more because of this very popular jab that has come out on the market, and there's consequences.
SPEAKER_01:It's good that people are questioning it. I wish that they would have sooner, yeah, but there was just so much propaganda on the media, you know, back and forth, that I think people just got too overwhelmed by what was going on.
SPEAKER_00:Speaking of propaganda, this is something I wanted to mention on this topic. Did you know that the United States and New Zealand are the only countries that allow pharmaceutical companies to advertise to the public? Yeah. I I've heard people say, like people from the UK or somewhere like that, that they are visiting America and they see drug come, you know, drug commercials for like a prescription drug on the TV, and they're like, what is this? Because they've never seen anything like that. Because our government allows drug companies to advertise it on commercials and ads and now.
SPEAKER_01:It's worse than allows. Well, they're they're getting paid, yeah, funded. Our government is funded by the funded by the pharmaceutical companies. Yes. It should read US government sponsored by and I mean, look at a magazine. If you picked up any magazine from you know, like a people magazine to a home gardening magazine, homes and better homes and gardens, it's like every third page is a pharmaceutical ad.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, for Botox.
SPEAKER_01:Look for it. Next time you open a magazine, look for it, it'll make you sick.
SPEAKER_00:And now it's also seeping into social media. I've noticed that literally celebrities like Martha Stewart are are being funded by certain drug companies like Pfizer to they're putting out their own promotion on their social media pages to go and get a certain booster, and it's it's so manipulative. It is because then you think of like all the people who adore Martha Stewart, which is interesting in and of itself to me. She's a criminal. But not to hate on her. I'm not trying to do that. I'm just saying don't go after Martha, man. If someone is her fan and they trust her and she's promoting a drug, a mental. That's how they all are.
SPEAKER_01:That's how they all are. And that's the thing.
SPEAKER_00:And that's that's what people need to research, is and and you're not truly giving informed consent. Just because you saw a commercial and that everybody is doing it and says that it's fine, that's not informed consent.
SPEAKER_01:Question everything. That's what Rachel and I would say. Question everything. You know, I'll give another example that isn't even about directly pharmaceuticals. Well, first, you mentioned Martha Stewart, but other influencers that aren't technically celebrities that are just social media influencers, they were paid to do the same things. Companies reached out to them and said, I'll pay you, you know, two grand to say this. Yeah. And people will do it because people want to get paid. But one of the things, and this is not paid, this is an example of social programming, which is also another thing that has happened is an influencer will say, Do this, and then the news will come out with all this do do do do uh, and then people follow along with it because that's how people are programmed to think is to follow the crowd and follow where the crowd says. Now, my example is how many people get induced because induction is a thing. I was talking about this with a group of women that are not getting induced, you know, we're like the hippie, like look, wait until your baby's ready type of folks. Yeah. And we were talking about how many influencers are like, I'm getting induced on Monday, or I'm getting induced, you know, next week, or whatever. They don't know any better. It's not that they're saying it because they're trying to influence people to get induced, they're doing it because they themselves don't know that getting in what getting induced really could mean with the cascade of interventions with birth. And so I think that there's just there's a lot of social programming that's going on with all of this. I mean, think about it, Ray. We we grew up from the time we were little kids watching pharmaceutical commercials. We're how a four years old, five years old commercial comes on, do do do do do do. And we're just so used to this being part of our culture that we don't necessarily think about it. And then you go to the doctor, gosh, I know this because my you know, my three-year-old is watching kids' TV shows now, and on these little kid TV shows are like, I have to go to the doctor for this. And it's like, why is this kid going to the doctor? Because they have a cough. It's it starts very, very young. Anyway, I'm getting on a tangent.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I mean, programming only works when you've been programmed to the earth. So we're it makes our minds more impressionable even as adults, too. So yeah.
SPEAKER_01:All right. I know we're going off in a lot of directions here. There is there's a lot we could talk about with this. And I know we've actually had a request to talk about low-tox living and things like that, because it's not just about pharmaceuticals. Um, this isn't Rachel and I aren't gonna go after just that. We're gonna go after everything. Our water is poisoned, our food, our skincare, like the life is way more stressful than everything. Like living is toxic. Yeah. Yeah. But we'll talk about that in a future episode. I think that the big thing here is in our episode with Carrie, I mentioned it there, and I want to say it again here that I am not saying to stop taking every pharmaceutical that you're taking. I'm not trying to give you medical advice, I'm not trying to tell you what to do. Don't listen to me anyway. The reason that I really think Rachel and I wanted to have this conversation is honestly just to encourage you to think. That's it. Like, just think about it and ask why, and ask, what is the history of this particular thing that I'm taking? Who created it and why, and what is it made out of? Because there's a big difference between taking an herb, like eating it, consuming it, and then then taking the idea of the herb, the chemical compound of it, and then making it in a lab with other ingredients and putting formaldehyde in it. There's a big difference between that. So, this is just to question what it is that you're eating, you're drinking, you're swallowing, the skincare products that you use. You know, I don't we're gonna go there later, but yeah, your skin is the largest organ in your body. And when you're slathering this junk on that, you don't know what it is. That's a whole other conversation. And it it just I know it can feel overwhelming, but we have to start somewhere and explore and dive into these topics for yourself, is really what I want to say. Do your own research, your own. Don't listen to me, don't listen to the media, don't listen to your friends, to your mom, to your sister. Like, do the research and then pray about it. Pray that the Lord will reveal the right path for you. Because it is so easy to get on the wrong path because of another person and the fear of losing people and friends. Because I'll tell you, a lot of people think I'm insane now. Like I've lost a lot of friends, and so if you're laughing because you have too. Yeah, Rachel and I are basically freaks now, which is fine. I would rather be a freak than poison myself, and that's okay. But I know Rachel and I, this journey for us has meant that the Lord taught us more about food and how some foods can heal and others cause disease. It taught us that plants like dandelion root aren't actually an enemy that you should spray with Roundup. That's also going to give you cancer, but they actually serve an incredible purpose in nature when they're consumed by humans. Yeah. It taught us about how incredible our bodies are, that God created these bodies and He created them to heal. So, really, as we wrap up today and finish, just ponder on the products you're using or things that have been you've used in the past that have been recalled or have come up in the news as being toxic or a carcinogen due to new discoveries, like sunscreen, hint, hint, wink, wink, or this idea of acetametaphine. You know, a lot of people are uh talking about Tylenol right now. And it's like, oh, there's a Tylenol shortage. I need Tylenol. Don't worry about the tylenol shortage, that's a distraction, sis. Go look into the class action lawsuits against Tylenol and it being linked to ADHD and ADD in children and other problems. Yeah. Because the shortage is a distraction from what's really going on, and that's that this Tylenol is poisoning us. But absolutely. Anyhow, and if you're thinking, like, okay, well, what do I do if I have a headache and I don't feel good? Remember what Paula Carper said when she joined us for an episode. Those are symptoms of a problem. Focus on getting to the root cause of your problem, not covering up or masking your problem with a drug that's only blocking the signals in your brain to your body. Right, absolutely. And how it functions, you know. So if you have frequent headaches or migraines, or your child has a fever, something is going on. Perhaps that body needs to have the fever in order to heal itself. Or perhaps you're getting headaches because you're exposed to something toxic. Right. This is the time to talk to a dietitian or a holistic doctor and question the other stuff.
SPEAKER_00:Right. Absolutely.
SPEAKER_01:And tangent.
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SPEAKER_00:Well, that kind of ends the episode, not just the tangent.
SPEAKER_01:Any anything that you want to add in there, Rachel? Not really.
SPEAKER_00:I think that's kind of most we just really wanted to give a kind of very brief summary. I mean, I know we've been talking for almost an hour now, but we're a brief hour-long summary. Right. But it really is because if we we could go into tangents on every single aspect of not just the pharmaceutical industry, but the food and you know, skincare and household products, which we want to do episodes on eventually. So this is kind of just giving a little food for thought on this biblical concept of pharmacia being related to sorcery, and hopefully just kind of get some people's wheels turning on how what what sorcery looks like today. Yeah. And again, this is our opinions and our perspectives. And no, we're not saying that it's all evil and being used for evil. A lot of it is. We're saying that. Because that's what it came down to for me when I started just alone talking about the pharmaceutical industry. When I started researching what was in things that I was putting in my body or giving to my children, I had a real come to Jesus moment that I was feeling convictions that weren't aligning with my actions. And so that's that's what we have to, like you said, go to the Lord about and pray about and come to peace with. Yep, with our opinions. But this is our podcast, and we have it so we can share opinions for other people who because honestly, the having opinions like this it can feel very isolating at times. There's times I've felt crazy, especially in the past two, now going on three years, that like the world is going mad, and it just like I feel like the one who's going the maddest. And and it it's actually been great. Then you and I share very similar opinions on at least just this stuff to have someone to kind of go through it with, yeah. Because not being a part of the the mainstream thought is it's it can just be very lonely. So that's kind of why we want to share about on our podcast. Because if you listen to this and you think everything we say is crazy and just a load of rubbish, like that's totally fine. That's your right to have that opinion. But if you're listening to this and it actually is making sense to you and it makes you feel less alone, that's that's part of my goal and talking about my worthless opinions.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I know. We uh we've been waking up, is what we say. You know, we've been like waking up to a bunch of things, and it it's can be hard to wake up, it can be scary because you're it's isolating. And when you're like, Oh my gosh, have you read this insert? Do you see what it says? And other people are like, Who cares? Every insert is like that, and you're Like, oh my gosh, that is that's not normal. But that's just you're waking up to separating yourself from this like social programming that we're under. It can be hard and it can be hard when your friends don't understand you or your family or people around you. But like Rachel said, if you're questioning things, glad you're here. You're not alone. Question everything. And even if you're not there yet, we'll give you more than a thing. We're praying for you.
SPEAKER_00:We're praying for you, we'll give you more things to question. But here let me just end on this note, then the one thing that we can stand firm on is the creator, is Yahweh, and that He sent His Son Yeshua to save us from not only our own sins, but this sinful state of the world. And that is the truth and foundation of my life. And the only it's the only thing that I don't question because I know it for reality. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So awesome. Thank you, Ray. And thank you for tuning in and being on this journey with us. As always, if you'd like to follow along outside the podcast, you can join the mission on Instagram and Facebook at the Radiant Mission or on YouTube. And Rachel, I'm gonna let you, you have you have your notes open today. I'd like you to read our closing verse.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, it's Psalm 103, two through three. Bless the Lord, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits. Who forgives all your iniquities, who heals all your diseases. And we're wishing everyone a radiant week. Bye, guys. Bye.
